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		<title>By: JudgeRight</title>
		<link>http://www.schaefersblog.com/change-is-a-community-project/comment-page-1/#comment-17174</link>
		<dc:creator>JudgeRight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 06:46:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The prophets were sent to a people who were ignoring or opposing good, right, improvement, etc.,  The prophets&#039; appeal was to the conscience of the individual.  Their words are recorded in history because they stood out in a time of community foolishness.  God works from the inside out.  Collectivism is not a good unto itself.  It is only in the focus to be and do good that individuals or groups can make real progress.  One of the fatal mistakes we make as collectivists is to protect individuals and groups from the consequences of their behaviors.  The further from their consequences the more foolish people are becoming.  I believe the Holy Spirit ensures the continuing voice of wisdom both in the conscience of the individual as well as bringing up prophets to make that wisdom available to the general population in a tangible way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The prophets were sent to a people who were ignoring or opposing good, right, improvement, etc.,  The prophets&#8217; appeal was to the conscience of the individual.  Their words are recorded in history because they stood out in a time of community foolishness.  God works from the inside out.  Collectivism is not a good unto itself.  It is only in the focus to be and do good that individuals or groups can make real progress.  One of the fatal mistakes we make as collectivists is to protect individuals and groups from the consequences of their behaviors.  The further from their consequences the more foolish people are becoming.  I believe the Holy Spirit ensures the continuing voice of wisdom both in the conscience of the individual as well as bringing up prophets to make that wisdom available to the general population in a tangible way.</p>
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		<title>By: musicman</title>
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		<dc:creator>musicman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 21:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cameron-

What about when the group is wrong?  What about when God gives you a  vision to do something-like the Prophets?  Were they wrong for standing against the &quot;collective wisdom&quot; of their community?  And final question-what about the role of the Holy Spirit in bringing about change?</description>
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<p>What about when the group is wrong?  What about when God gives you a  vision to do something-like the Prophets?  Were they wrong for standing against the &#8220;collective wisdom&#8221; of their community?  And final question-what about the role of the Holy Spirit in bringing about change?</p>
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		<title>By: Borgification of the Church &#124; spiritualtyranny.com</title>
		<link>http://www.schaefersblog.com/change-is-a-community-project/comment-page-1/#comment-16388</link>
		<dc:creator>Borgification of the Church &#124; spiritualtyranny.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 19:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] months ago I ran across a blog article by Cameron Schaefer called Change is a Community Project.  His article should be called the Borgification of the Church.  For those of you who are not Star [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Links For Super-Charged Living - August 30, 2008 &#124; My Super-Charged Life</title>
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		<dc:creator>Links For Super-Charged Living - August 30, 2008 &#124; My Super-Charged Life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 13:02:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Committed to a Cause&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;   The No. 1 Lifehack You can Implement Today to Make the World a Better Place Change is a Community Project [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Cameron Schaefer</title>
		<link>http://www.schaefersblog.com/change-is-a-community-project/comment-page-1/#comment-7827</link>
		<dc:creator>Cameron Schaefer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ JudgeRight,

I agree, I’m a big proponent that decisions made at the local level are far better than those left to federal government. Thriving and active communities are key to this, if they don’t participate the system is doomed from the start.

@ Akshay,

You touched on a great point, being an active member in the community is very important for startups, but sometimes overlooked. I wonder if anyone has ever done a study of how the success of a startup is effected by how involved in the community the founders are?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ JudgeRight,</p>
<p>I agree, I’m a big proponent that decisions made at the local level are far better than those left to federal government. Thriving and active communities are key to this, if they don’t participate the system is doomed from the start.</p>
<p>@ Akshay,</p>
<p>You touched on a great point, being an active member in the community is very important for startups, but sometimes overlooked. I wonder if anyone has ever done a study of how the success of a startup is effected by how involved in the community the founders are?</p>
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		<title>By: Akshay Kapur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Akshay Kapur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 14:42:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In trying to develop my business, this has been a key principle I&#039;ve missed out on so far.  You have the business plan, the marketing campaign, the right staff, but you don&#039;t have the network to test it out.  In trying to develop the &quot;supply&quot; side, I ignored the &quot;demand&quot;.  

A lot of businesses actually start out with &quot;demand&quot; and do so through fulfilling connections within the community.  Religious orgs, interest groups, vendor-sponsored parties are so important to the development model, but so easily forgotten.  

I think the reason is because its intangible.  Creating spreadsheets, briefs, workflows is tangible, presentable material, especially in the short-term.  Long-term community building is much more difficult to put in your boss&#039; lap for him to appreciate.  Right now, its treated as the &quot;cost of doing business&quot;.  You gotta get it done so you can get back to real work.  Whereas the real work is really about connecting your employees around a central theme, getting them to meet others who believe in your mission.  Your product will sell itself if you have the right relationships.  

We waste too much time analyzing the status quo when we could be out in the community talking about a better future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In trying to develop my business, this has been a key principle I&#8217;ve missed out on so far.  You have the business plan, the marketing campaign, the right staff, but you don&#8217;t have the network to test it out.  In trying to develop the &#8220;supply&#8221; side, I ignored the &#8220;demand&#8221;.  </p>
<p>A lot of businesses actually start out with &#8220;demand&#8221; and do so through fulfilling connections within the community.  Religious orgs, interest groups, vendor-sponsored parties are so important to the development model, but so easily forgotten.  </p>
<p>I think the reason is because its intangible.  Creating spreadsheets, briefs, workflows is tangible, presentable material, especially in the short-term.  Long-term community building is much more difficult to put in your boss&#8217; lap for him to appreciate.  Right now, its treated as the &#8220;cost of doing business&#8221;.  You gotta get it done so you can get back to real work.  Whereas the real work is really about connecting your employees around a central theme, getting them to meet others who believe in your mission.  Your product will sell itself if you have the right relationships.  </p>
<p>We waste too much time analyzing the status quo when we could be out in the community talking about a better future.</p>
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		<title>By: JudgeRight</title>
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		<dc:creator>JudgeRight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 11:22:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was led here by a fellow Christian.  I appreciate the message of community.  Our cars, our rugged individualism have been tremendous helps in difficult times, but yes, I think it has gone too far.  Certainly in emotional matters, we need each other if only to bounce ideas off of, to know if we are out of step with expected behaviors.  

Pardon my politicizing but taking a big picture, I think we as a nation are going too far toward consequence avoidance.  By putting all our ills in the hands of big government to fix, we have taken accountability out of the local community.  We don&#039;t associate the taxes with our neighbor&#039;s alcohol habit, but welfare funds that habit.  

Left to the local community, especially faith based programs non-government funded philanthropy puts accountability at the local level so the plumber, the mechanic are the ones answering the needs and are ensuring their good gifts aren&#039;t abused.  They might even offer on the job training to someone.  No 35 levels of administers to push paperwork until the check gets to the needy.  Just our little back door ministry to help those neighbors who need some guidance and a strong hand to help them discover their worth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was led here by a fellow Christian.  I appreciate the message of community.  Our cars, our rugged individualism have been tremendous helps in difficult times, but yes, I think it has gone too far.  Certainly in emotional matters, we need each other if only to bounce ideas off of, to know if we are out of step with expected behaviors.  </p>
<p>Pardon my politicizing but taking a big picture, I think we as a nation are going too far toward consequence avoidance.  By putting all our ills in the hands of big government to fix, we have taken accountability out of the local community.  We don&#8217;t associate the taxes with our neighbor&#8217;s alcohol habit, but welfare funds that habit.  </p>
<p>Left to the local community, especially faith based programs non-government funded philanthropy puts accountability at the local level so the plumber, the mechanic are the ones answering the needs and are ensuring their good gifts aren&#8217;t abused.  They might even offer on the job training to someone.  No 35 levels of administers to push paperwork until the check gets to the needy.  Just our little back door ministry to help those neighbors who need some guidance and a strong hand to help them discover their worth.</p>
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		<title>By: Cameron Schaefer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cameron Schaefer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 04:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Martin,

It&#039;s so true, much of Christianity is goes completely against the patterns of the world.  Must be why it strikes such controversy, haha!

@ Mike,

You&#039;re right.  It&#039;s such a fine line between being independent and staying connected and often America pushes the individualism route a bit too far.  I think there&#039;s nothing wrong with being able to do things on your own, it&#039;s just that all of us have weak areas the we need help with, no matter who we are.  There needs to be balance.

@ Ankesh,

Your last statement hits the nail on the head.  Individuals can do a great deal, but communities multiply the outcome.

@ Lee,

Great wisdom about the need to set the right goals.  I agree that it is a necessary part of change moving you in the right direction.  Will be checking out your blog!

@ Asithi,

You&#039;ve discovered a great truth.  Having community to help you through life is much more efficient.  You don&#039;t have to reinvent the wheel when you can just ask someone who has been there and done that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Martin,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s so true, much of Christianity is goes completely against the patterns of the world.  Must be why it strikes such controversy, haha!</p>
<p>@ Mike,</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right.  It&#8217;s such a fine line between being independent and staying connected and often America pushes the individualism route a bit too far.  I think there&#8217;s nothing wrong with being able to do things on your own, it&#8217;s just that all of us have weak areas the we need help with, no matter who we are.  There needs to be balance.</p>
<p>@ Ankesh,</p>
<p>Your last statement hits the nail on the head.  Individuals can do a great deal, but communities multiply the outcome.</p>
<p>@ Lee,</p>
<p>Great wisdom about the need to set the right goals.  I agree that it is a necessary part of change moving you in the right direction.  Will be checking out your blog!</p>
<p>@ Asithi,</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve discovered a great truth.  Having community to help you through life is much more efficient.  You don&#8217;t have to reinvent the wheel when you can just ask someone who has been there and done that.</p>
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		<title>By: asithi</title>
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		<dc:creator>asithi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:40:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find that as my husband and I are getting ready to have children that a sense of community is very important.  Before when we move from place to place, we never think too much about it.  I did not care about meeting my neighbors or my local stores, or even connecting with anyone.  Now I find that asking for help is much easier than chasing my own tail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find that as my husband and I are getting ready to have children that a sense of community is very important.  Before when we move from place to place, we never think too much about it.  I did not care about meeting my neighbors or my local stores, or even connecting with anyone.  Now I find that asking for help is much easier than chasing my own tail.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee Cockerell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee Cockerell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that the best results are when we connect with others to help them and to help ourselves. Role-models and trusted advisors who are willing to be honest with us are two great ways to improve. I also believe that you need some sort of training on how to approach change in your personal life, by having the right goal in mind. My goal is not to work out everyday ( which I do) but to meet my grandchildrens children. The larger goal pushed me to do things which will not pay off for a long time. Being part of a family, community or an organization has true value in one&#039;s development. My blog gives lots of ways to think about achieving the important things in your life....Lee</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that the best results are when we connect with others to help them and to help ourselves. Role-models and trusted advisors who are willing to be honest with us are two great ways to improve. I also believe that you need some sort of training on how to approach change in your personal life, by having the right goal in mind. My goal is not to work out everyday ( which I do) but to meet my grandchildrens children. The larger goal pushed me to do things which will not pay off for a long time. Being part of a family, community or an organization has true value in one&#8217;s development. My blog gives lots of ways to think about achieving the important things in your life&#8230;.Lee</p>
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